administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect by the government which has already bankrupted social security and medicare all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese -- [laughter] and financed by a country that's broke. [laughter] megyn: well, there you have it. or do you? joining me now for a fair and balanced debate, dr. marc siegel and stanley hepfeld who's a hospital ceo, also the author of "political malpractice." gentlemen, thank you both so much for being here. so, you know, they say -- people who don't like obamacare say that doctor and politician summed up the problems with obamacare brilliantly in one sentence. i assume you agree, dr. segal, but the she is whether -- the question is whether there's anything that could happen tonight that would be a game changer on an issue you find very problematic. i mean, health care's sort of been forgotten about since the supreme court upheld the law. >> well, megyn, i'll add one game changer here. you might say that doctors are a special interest group
